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Market #46: Sprint project in CT with 00121 Veloce engine

Update 9/17/08.  Reserve not met at $5101 with 35 bids.  I made a pretty good estimate of the closing price this time and would have won big if this was ‘The Price is Right’.  I think the seller should take this amount.  This car needs a lot of expensive work and even though it has the later Veloce engine it will only in the end ever be an ‘Abnormale’ and not worth as much as a genuine unmolested matching-number example, which for these Normale 101’s is probably going to be south of $20,000 for a long time except for really choice examples.  Look for the string of disappointing follow up auctions…

Giulietta Sprint Normale 10105 1493*21372, Engine AR 00121*01522 (not original).  This 1959 Sprint is available now on eBay with a low starting bid.  Engine is a 1600 101 Veloce unit out of either a Spider Veloce or Sprint Speciale.  Connecticut is in the part of the country you normally associate with rusty cars but this car looks to be as free of rot as described.  I guess 34 years in dry storage paid off.

From this angle it doesn’t so bad other than a few scrapes and bumps.  Most trim is present and jacking points look good.

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Market #45: Straight-forward Giulia Spider Normale project

Update:  Sold!  Car closed with 28 bids, the high of which was $12,205.  A little higher than I thought it would go for, but given how original everything on the car is I am not really surprised. 

1962 Giulia Spider 101.03 AR370257, Engine 00102*30583.   On eBay now! Seller claims the car is a 1963 Giulietta 1300 Spider Normale, though according to the numbers Fusi indicates it’s a 1962 Giulia Spider.  Engine listed is a 1300 from a 1961 Sprint or Spider.  This car is firmly in the gray area known as interim cars.  It has the large Giulia type tail lights, earlier Giulietta gauges and no fake hood vent.  My knowledge of Spiders is limited so if any of you cares to chime in with a comment, please do.

The nose of this car is very nice, no real body work is required to make it straight.  Giulia’s usually have the fake vent on the hood, maybe this isn’t the original hood, or maybe the first year Giulias didn’t have the fake vent.

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Sprint Veloce and Speciale oversized gas tank on eBay

Update:  Sold for opening bid of $299.  pretty good deal if you ask me!

Available here is a Giulietta Sprint Veloce, Sprint Speciale, and Sprint Zagato 84 liter (22.2 Gallon) gas tank part number 1365.85.722.  These gas tanks are a standard fitment racing item providing extra fuel capacity.  By comparison, standard Sprint (and Spider/Spider Veloce) gas tanks are 56 liters (14.8 gallons).  I haven’t seen many of these offered for sale in the years I’ve been keeping track of Alfa 750/101 series parts, so this is one of those parts that you should buy when you see it if you suspect you will eventually need it.  Adding one of these to your Sprint Normale requires modifications to the body and a group of other Veloce only parts and is thus no cake-walk. 

Tank looks very straight and clean on the outside.  The breather pipe, seen here running back to the filler neck requires a ridge in the trunk floor, making fitment in a Sprint Normale a challenge.

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Market #43: Project Sprint on SF Bay Area Craigslist

Giulietta Sprint 750B 1493*08569, Engine 1315*05588 (not original).  This car is available at the time of publication here on Craigslist. A comprehensive photo set is available on Flickr as well.  It’s not clear how much the seller wants to get for the car, but I think $6000 is what someone who spoke to them said they wanted.

I think this car sold without the engine on Craigslist last year and if i remember correctly the asking then was $4000.

 Straight, attractive, somewhat complete and looking for love.  No, it’s not in the personals section.

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Market #42: Yet another scrappy ‘Guilietta’ Sprint Veloce project

Update: Wow, no takers for $7000.  If it was in my area I’d be all over it.  It might help if they list it so it can be more easily seen by spelling Giulietta correctly.  Hmmm, lets see if it gets relisted.

Update: Ian reported that more pictures have been posted and indeed they have.  He commented that the carbs are not original, I think he means it should have 40DCO3’s.  I’m not certain and have seen no evidence one way or the other, but keeping in mind that Alfa during this period were consistently inconsistent, I think Veloces at this point may have had 40 DDCOE3’s as this is about the time they were being phased in and showing up on cars.  What’s the difference you ask?  E refers to the Italian word for Die-cast.  I think there is a pretty good section on the differences on the Veloce Register website.  Anyone?

Giulietta Sprint Veloce 750E 1495E08315, Engine 1315*32289. Ian Evans sent me a link to this auction with the note: “Probably a safe bet to believe it truly does not run since it is missing the carburetors, eh?” I’m glad he sent it along because I’ve been too busy to troll for cars to write about. For once Fusi is in agreement with the seller and it is indeed a 1959 Sprint Veloce. Metric gauges, swooshy market lights and amber directionals in the tail lights indicate it’s a European Market car, an inquiry to Alfa’s archives would tell you which country if it mattered to you.

The good: Straight nose and trim, good hood fit, not missing much. The bad: everything needs to be reconditioned, expensive to say the least! The ugly: The rust you see here hints at a level of corrosion on all the parts that is difficult to remove. I wonder if a tree fell on it like my Berlina.

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Other 1315 series Giulietta engine numbers.

In 1955, with introduction of the Giulietta Berlina and Spider, an engine number series was started for each.  For the Spider, engine numbers run from AR 1315*40001* through *45854* and for the Berlina AR 1315*50001* through *74950*.  In 1956 The Sprint and Spider Veloce’s were introduced  sharing the engine number series starting with AR 1315*30001* and running to *32738*.  For 1957 an increased power version of the Berlina was introduced, the TI for ‘Turismo Internationale’ with an engine number range starting with AR 1315*80001* and running to *97834*.  Oddly the series number for the TI is 753 rather than 750.  I have read that the Romeo 2 van was being produced at this point with a Giulietta 1300 engine as an option and if so, it may have an engine number that is a variation on one of the above.

Andrew Watry owns Giulietta Berlina 750C 1488 01774, engine number 1315*51850.  Note the depth of the stamping effort in the vin plate.  The early cars seem to have been more aggressively stamped or perhaps the earlier were done by hand and the later had some sort of jig.

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Guest blog entry: Concorso Italiano 2008

Giuliettas.com couldn’t make it to the Concorso Italiano 2008, so we asked Hardtuned.com and Sports Car International Magazine’s Jeff Glenn for a full report.  Words and Photographs are his.  Thanks Jeff!

 

 

It was always a bit of a chore getting into the Concorso Italiano when it was at the Bayonet and Black Horse Golf Course on Fort Ord, and the organizers convincingly fixed that by moving the event to the Marina Airport. In the process, they lost a fair amount of cache. At past Concorso’s, I enjoyed sitting in the grass and people watching after checking out an overwhelming number of Italian cars and the club corrals in the outlying parking lots. Trees, fleeting glimpses of the ocean, and a rolling topography that gave you a sense of how many cars and people were there have been replaced by a flat, asphalt and concrete parking lot bordered by vendor tents, chain link fence, and port-o-potties. This year, when we couldn’t stand any longer, we collapsed on the concrete.

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Market #41: Giulietta SS 00207 cleaned up.

Another update: This car has reportedly sold!  I guess that means you have to buy mine…

Update: I found a couple of pictures from the previous sale if anyone is seriously interested in this car and wants to see them email me at sprints@giuliettas.com. Also this car is missing the hood spear but they are available.

Giulietta SS 10120*00207, Engine 00536*08350, Bertone *87*209*. Fantasy Junction has this car listed for $48,500. This car was sold by them last year for about $28,000 as a project. Interestingly the link on their ‘Cars we sold’ page is gone. I suppose if I was selling this car a second time after it under went a cosmetic face lift I’d rather the world didn’t know.

The engine in the car is a 1600cc from a 1966 Giulia Sprint GT Veloce or a Duetto and contemporary literature lists the power output at either 125 or 122 depending on the brochure, either way a few shy of the 129hp claimed for a 10121 Giulia SS. The good: Probably a fast smooth 10120 Giulietta SS, not as high strung as one with the original 100 hp 1300cc engine but the bad: it’s not original and the price doesn’t adequately reflect this in my opinion, though I suppose it could be argued that it’s close. I could of course go on at length with opinions but form your own from this: The correct 00120 Engine with all the the correct parts in running condition starts at $15,000 due to its commonality with the expensive SZ, a 1966 Veloce engine like the one in this car is maybe $5-6000.

Car looks a lot better than it did when I looked at it last year. All of the loose ends seem to have been tied up. I like the addition of fog lights. Headlights are cheapo Wagners or something. I’d like to see some period Carello’s or Marchal’s but if you’re sprucing a car up to make money it probably doesn’t make sense to spend money unnecessarily, especially when so few would notice.

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Market #40: Another low in Sprints

Giulietta Sprint 1493*22515.  This 1960 Sprint Normale was on eBay here and sold for $310!  Not a bad deal if you have a project you need body panels for or if you (like me) have a lot of extra Sprint parts and are looking for something to bolt them to.  Another good use for this would be as a mule to develop some welding skills on, the benefits would be two-fold:  You’d be learning to weld and you’d be saving an otherwise fairly hopeless seeming car. 

Sellers have all the removed parts and would consider keeping them with the car for a price.  How considerate. 

The nose here is really not that bad.  I see some dents and wrinkles but this is what you would find under the paint and filler on just about any Sprint, concours contenders included.

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