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Market #1: White Giulia SS project

Update 5/31/12: Now on Craigslist.  Look at the pictures at the bottom of this write up. Looks like the same car to me. I wonder what you would receive if you sent them $25K?

Update 9/20/10: A Giulia SS was listed on Craigslist this morning for $30,000 with pictures of this car.  A scam?  Borrowed pictures?  I’m sure it will be answered before long…

5/20/09 Update: SOLD after 377 days! A guy I spoke to on the phone about this car last month, giving advise etc, has taken the plunge and bought this car.  I told him exactly what I have been saying about this car all along, it’s probably a good car that everyone interested in an SS is tired of seeing for sale (you only get one shot at a good eBay auction).  The selling price was around $45K and he seems very happy with the purchase.  Look for it to be present at shows and events in Southern California.  If anyone knows a good place to get keys made in Southern California post a comment as he needs to get door, trunk and glove box keys made.

I bet the seller of this SS would be happy if one of you kind readers would buy his 1965 Flavia Sport Zagato that is currently on Craigslist for $26,000 or trade.

3/31/09 Update: I think it will be a while before another car is featured here so many times. This car is on eBay again and this time it can be bought NOW for $47,500. Lets see if my ‘auction fatigue’ theory holds true. Now is your chance, you know you want it. I’ll offer the correct gauges to the new owner at 10% off.

3/18/09 Update: This car is now all repainted and spiffied up. Check it out on eBay now. $56,000 asking is big money but the car is pretty nice now.

low-frontVery nice work. The shut lines look good and the trim is all as it should be. Seller says he got it all ‘triple chromed’.

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Giulietta Sprint Accessories part 3: the rear seat

Update 3/27/12: I received a note from Brian today that included these pictures of his Sprint back seat.  He’s getting it redone, but thought we would like to see the originals before they disappear.

This rear seat is in great shape for being original -but still has the usual discoloration from water or whatever.  Here again is the raised headliner bit -as if someone tall enough to need clearance would fit back here.

Looks like the stuffing has died.  Underdash Norelco razor?  I don’t think the bottom cushion is original.  Child seat mount straps or seatbelts seen between the bottom and back on the driver side?

Door panels look really good.  Nice to see a good set of these.

Originally posted 8/16/2008:  A rear seat in a Sprint. This is one of those ‘what were they thinking’ accessories, like a phonograph or an in-dash DVD player. I earlier reported that on one desperate occasion I had 5 people in my Sprint and it was a squeeze of clown car proportions. I am not overly tall or long legged but when I am driving my Sprint there is maybe 3 inches between the back of my seat and the ledge the rear seat would sit on. It can’t be more than six inches with the seat all the way forward. I could see this working for a small child, maybe. It’s possible there was a tax or vehicle registration benefit to having the Sprint be a 4 seater that outweighed the cost of the seat but I’m not sure. I do know that Italian tax and registration laws of this era had all sorts of weird impacts on vehicles, most notably the sub 1300cc and sub 600cc breaks. I’ll explore this at a later date.

Below are two examples of rear seats I’ve come across recently. I’ve probably seen three more in the last year in my scouring the net for cars to write up. I have a feeling that when orders for the rear seat didn’t materialize, Bertone started shipping them with cars to get rid of them. I think all the rear seat cars I’ve seen were 1959 or 60 cars.

Vaguely reminiscent of the rear seats found in GTV’s but with a center fold down arm rest. This one seems to have been redone at some point as the original upholstery would look more like that in the next picture.

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Market 243: Small headlight Sprint 01682 in Australia

Update 1/14/12:  This car has turned up in Australia with an asking price of $32,500 or about $33,400 US.  I also got a tip that it was available in Southern California, but apparently, it’s an old link.  The seller from 8/2010 confirmed it’s in Australia.

You don’t see this angle often unless you or your neighbor has a Sprint and you have a second story balcony overlooking the parking area.  I want a first series Sprint project.  Maybe after the 750D project that’s after the Glas GT project.

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Market 95: 1600 Spider project in Carlsbad

Update 12/17/11:  I’m still a little skeptical, but this car seems to have surfaced as a restored example in France for 32,000 Euro or $41,600.  I’ve compared pictures and the drivers side mirror, gauges and shift knob look the same between both.  What do you think?  If it sold for $12,000, cost $2000 to get it to Europe, that leaves $27,000 to fix it up and try and make money over 18 months.  If all it needed was rust repair, a respray and some catalog parts, maybe they’ll make money.  I suppose it really begs the question of corners cut.

Lots of pictures to compare here.

No visual cues yet that it’s the same car.

Same wood shifter knob and yellowed tri-gauge.  Neither is a rare thing.  Interior looks okay -seat covers are wrong.

Other than being a lot cleaner, it could be the same engine compartment.  Same radiator cap?

Update 11/11/09:  This car has turned up at Steuel in the Netherlands.  Price is not 11,500 Euro ($17,200 while the dollar lasts as the semi-universal currency).  Let’s see, $1000 to get it across the water, add a few thou’ to it and the makings of a living can be seen.  I’m surprised the hardtop wasn’t removed and sold separately.img1022Giulia Spider 375838 finds itself in a new country with a new language to learn and in the hands of people who have seen way worse rust.

Update 6/16/09: Amazing what can happen on eBay. This car ended at $12,200 with 22 bidders this time around. That is almost double what it reached last time with the same amount of bidders. Maybe someone really wanted the hard top!  This car is in many ways not as nice as my car that I am asking $4000.  I guess it’s time to put it on eBay.

Update 6/8/09: Apparently not sold, this car is once again on eBay though the seller has a different ID, not sure what that is about. Current bid is higher than the previous selling price and it’s only been on half a day. Seller has another Spider project, earlier, not as complete and a Veloce, that was listed at the same time. I think I would space the listings out if it were me, but there seems to be no shortage of Spider projects so it probably wouldn’t help.

Sorry about the lack of postings, I’ve been busy with other stuff and WordPress has been taking a LONG time to do/load anything so I get frustrated. Must be the large amount of stuff I have saved on their site.

Update 3/19/09: Car sold for $6250 with 22 bids. Probably well bought when everything is considered, especially the hard top.

Giulia Spider 1600 101.23 AR375858, Engine AR00502*15806 (Sprint GT). This little gem available on eBay right now out of Carlsbad California (near San Diego) re enforces the notion that ‘it’s always something’. Here we see a promising start with a complete car wearing very straight trim, a factory hard top, California Black Plates and a Sprint GT engine. While the engine is not original, with these ‘regular’ Spiders it doesn’t really matter so long as it runs. The something? This car is pretty rusty where it matters.

182f_3I could see just making this thing run and drive and then using it rusty bumpers (or no bumpers) and all. From this picture it looks like Carello’s chrome is longer lasting than Alfas and the grill eyebrows make me think it all should be stainless.

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Market 137: SVZCT 10126*00184 pretty please???

Update 10/29/11: Auction has been pulled.  Almost certainly a scam.

Update 10/29/11: This car is on eBay right now out of Morrison CO.  Picture are the same as those marketing the car at Fantasy Junction in 2009. 

Update 4/9/11: This charmer is going to be auctioned by RM at Villa d’Este on May 21st.  Still my favorite!  I just noticed I don’t have a register for Zagato variants and I don’t have many pictures.  Anyone want to share their collection?
Seems to have been treated well since the last visit to these pages.
Originally posted 8/1/09: Giulietta Sprint Veloce Zagato II ‘Coda Tronca’ 10126*00184. That’s one mouthful of a name. This desirable object is probably parked beside the subject of Market 136 in the Fantasy Junction showroom. For the $355,000 asking price of this jewel you could buy two of those Lightweight Sprints and throw in the Fulvia Zagato with the remainder and still pay most of the tax and reg.
29550Austere is a good word for these -at least the ‘markedly simple’ part of the definition. The beautiful form of a shape derived solely to fulfill a function. Light weight, low drag coefficient, low center of gravity and yet unmistakeably a Zagato creation. This particular model, of which so few were made, is possibly my favorite.
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Identification numbers Part 1: Sprint Autotelaio number

Update 10/25/11: Time marches on.  I read these old posts and find myself in the interesting position of not remembering what I have written so it’s fresh -like seeing yourself from an others perspective.  Not many times in life when you can look at yourself this way.  I’m glad I started this madness.  Enjoy, and as Giulietta owners like to say -keep the rev’s up!

Update 11/10/09: Below was first posted on 6/26/08. I carry on with the projects and other pursuits. A new post is almost done. There are some Spiders (as usual) on eBay that deserve a quick mention but again, time has been precious.
Thanks for stopping by and today 5 boxes with T-shirts went out to Tom who paid first, Chris in UK, Dirk in Germany, Peter in Portland and Marco in Illinois. Send me a paypal or check and I’ll get yours in the mail too,
Update 2: Looking over all the cars I have numbers for it looks more likely that 101.02 cars have the new 001.02 engines while 101.05 cars have the 1315* series engines that are modified to accept the 101 engine series head.
Update 1: 101.02 versus 101.05 is a market difference. I read in a reputable source that 101.05 was the model number for US Market Sprints.
If you start looking carefully at the parts on your Giulietta Sprint, Sprint Veloce or Sprint Speciale you will notice there are a lot of numbers stamped, cast, engraved or written with grease pencil in Italian long-hand. These numbers tell you the year, model, and on early cars can match engine number to VIN number. The more subtle markings can shed a little light on how these cars were assembled and can be of great assistance when trying to identify what is correct for your car. I am going to focus on the vehicle identification numbers of Sprint and Sprint Veloce’s in this post and will look at the Engine numbers, Bertone numbers and Sprint Speciale specific numbers separately later.
Tipo or type and series are the fundamental identifiers. Tipo is essentially the model name and series is the model number, which changed over time and for different markets. The first picture is the build plate for one of my cars. It is a Tipo: Giulietta Sprint, Series 101.05. It doesn’t actually say Sprint on the build plate, it’s sort of implied by the car itself that it is a Sprint.
Several identifying numbers can be seen in this picture. On the build plate are the Series, Autotelaio (VIN) and Motore (Engine) numbers. Above the plate, stamped in the body is the number Bertone used to identify the car during fabrication and assembly. The Autotelaio is also stamped on the firewall just below the bundle of wires that can be seen in this picture.
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Market 195: Sprint in Portugal

Update 9/22/11:In Portugal, with Vent window -this Sprint is back on eBay.
I think I would take fresh pictures rather than reuse these close to 2 year olds…
Update 7/1/10: No sale last time I suppose. Now on eBay again… better $20K?  Doubtful.
Update 6/24/10: Auction ended at $22,850, reserve met.  Not such a bad deal when you consider it wouldn’t wouldn’t be too hard to turn it into a nice car with a nearly unique feature in the vent window.
Update 6/10/10: This car has made its way to ebay and the seller has listed the vin number -1493*08477, so I now have another to add to the register.  Condition is described as ‘restored to like new’ but it’s not… incorrect driver restoration is more like it.  The kind of car that gets bid up to just under $20K.  Vent window is still a neat thing though.
Original post March 3, 2010: Giulietta Sprint. I found this car on a Japanese classic car site and it’s available out of Portugal for just under $33,000.  A Portugese car on a Japanese website makes perfect sense really -the Japanese are highly refined in their car collecting and own a disproportionate number of interesting Italian cars, many Giuliettas among them.  Why not market directly to the money?
Looking back over the last few weeks I’ve been trending toward more international market entries (among the posts about welding on the SS).  What’s up you ask?  Well, there aren’t many Giuliettas for sale in the US right now.  Must be the weather!
The body and paint on this car is really pretty nice, panels fit well, trim embellishes as intended, not much to complain about to be seen.  A careful viewer of the above picture will note a rare feature.
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Market 15: "Beautifully restored Giulietta Sprint"

Update 9/15/11: A note from the seller: “Actually I did quite a lot to the car since I bought it from the man in Savannah GA who offered it on ebay.  That was about 30 months ago.  Paint was carefully hand cleaned, hand clayed, hand polished and waxed. Carpet was replaced with custom colored wool woven plush material, of very tight linear weave.  Engine bay was extensively cleaned and detailed. Original Lodge spark plugs and Cavis wires installed. Original air cleaner canister was refinished and re-installed with an adaptor to the dual barrel Weber. Engine was fine tuned and a complete new centerline exhaust system was installed by Mike Besic. Brake system was completely fine tuned.  Five new Pirelli Cinturatos installed. Interior was cleaned and extensively detailed. Trunk was extensively cleaned and detailed. Fog lights were replaced with Carrellos.  It all seemed like a good idea at the time, and then the 1958 Veloce Confortavole came along last Spring.  I actually took the 1960 Sprint and 1969 Duetto to the Concorso Italiano last August.  That’s where the buyer saw it for the first time. He drove it the following week at Fantasy Junction.  Car sold yesterday. Five days after Fantasy Junction offered it on their website.”
Maybe I didn’t ask enough.”

Update 9/14/11: First -I had to really dig to find this old post.  I’ve been at it a while now it seems.  Champagne all around!  Okay, wishful thinking aside -this car is now available from my frequently frequented, frequently well stocked with frequently above average -in this case way above average cars, Fantasy Junction.  Asking price is an inspiring $49,500.  Yep.  “Sale Pending” the website says.  Mines parked on the street in Oakland California with the windows open.  Heh!


My car looks almost this good from space on a rainy day before they fixed the Hubble lenses.  That’s a nice car!
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Market 226: SS 10120*00533 in Florida

Update 8/24/11:  It has been reported by several attendees that this car made $190,000!  Serious money.  Lightweight Sprint Veloce Money.  SZ money not too long ago.  Now every bumpkin who inherits a busted up SS is going to be offering a $190,000 Buy it Now on eBay.  Nice.


Update 8/20/11: This car was spotted at the Gooding and Co auction this Monterey weekend, spruced up and looking to sell for a lot of money based on its preservation status.
It’s amazing how good they can make a car look with some polish and care.
The story as they tell it.
Update 6/30/10: Elmar sent me an email making me aware of the picture below… must be the same car as this is a rare color and vent windows are even rarer.
Period shot of 533?  Probably!
Update 6/11/10: I hear $250K is the magic number.  I will have to chew on that for a while -not sure how I feel about it.
Giulietta Sprint Speciale 10120*00533. Elmar, the European correspondent sent me a link to this SS that is available now from Pegasus in Florida -car was owned my the owner of Centerline for a while.  Condition is said to be all original and as can be seen it has the rare vent window option.  I’m not sure what they are asking for it.
This is a great color- kind of a platinum gray silver.  It’s said to be as good as it looks.  Trim, shut lines etc are all fine.
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