Market 323: Black Plate Sprint project 10105*21083

Update October 5 2015: Incase you spent the last 4 years wishing you had bought this car – well, you get another chance.  It’s back on eBay.  Looks to have been improved a bit, but still has a ways to go.

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Paint is looking pretty good these days.  Grill is still from an early 750B or Spider.  Good luck adding a front bumper if that’s something you would care about.

Update September 5 2011: Wow, $25,800 is pretty serious for this car.  Ummm, maybe I should stop driving mine every day?  Nah.

Giulietta Sprint 10105 1493*21083.  This car is on eBay right now out of Temecula in southern California.  Car wears its original California black plate but none of the originality usually associate with a black plate car.  A lot of difficult to source trim is missing, engine is incorrect, interior is mostly wrong components with incorrect finish among other things.  It runs and drives (yay) but will require a lot to be original.  Would make a great beginning for a CSRG or other vintage racing group car.  Looks nice though.

Don’t get me wrong, it is a nice looking example.  Sprints are good cars, this example would bring a smile to your face every time you drove it.  I don’t mind the lack of badges, bumpers or hubcaps, but the trim that runs along the top of the rockers is necessary to the shape.

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Market 507: 1957 Spider Veloce 750F*01970 at Fantasy Junction

Update October 2 2015:  I took the day off work to do some really fun stuff like go to a Dr. appointment and get my daily VW oil changed and smogged, and I was rolling by FJ and thought – hey, why not, and stopped in.  I gotta say, this car is REALLY nice in person.  Spencer told me it looks like it’s probably sold, but like Indiana Jones, in the opening of Raiders of the Lost Ark, you could probably swoop in and grab your hat before the door gets all the way down.  Commendable restoration for sure.

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If you licked it, it might taste like cherry or watermelon jolly rancher candy.

Giulietta Spider Veloce 750F 1495*01970, 1315*32969.  This car is available from Fantasy Junction in Emeryville Ca for $145,000.  I get asked most often if I know of any 1957 Spider Veloce’s for sale – well, here is one!  Car looks very well restored, though I’m sure there is one or two of you right now seething at some incorrect minutiae.  The engine number is not in the correct range (1315*30267 – 30761) for this year car, but as I commented* on my “What year…” post (see below), Veloce engines blew up and were replaced.  This old post has a discussion of what it may mean.  The restorer did us a favor and stamped a new build plate with the number for the engine in the car – that won’t cause any confusion in 50 years.

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Looking good – has that wet lollipop sheen that somehow triggers heightened desire.  I have worked on a lot of these cars, I can tell you it is an astonishing amount of work to get to this point from a bare shell in need of rust repair (not saying this needed rust repair – just that its a ton of work to get a car together from a shell to yum).

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Market 514: Sprint 750B 00356 in Indonesia

Giulietta Sprint 750B 1493*00356.  Listed on Anamera out of Indonesia.  I thought I saw this car out of US east coast on eBay at one point.  Maybe the eBay seller was really in Indonesia?  It’s early and it’s rough, but it is not hopeless…

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If it was local I’d go have a look for sure.  Looks to have been well used, but left too long in the rain.  Should have the short windshield?

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Market 512: Minty early Sprint 750B 00977 in Italy

Giulietta 750B 1493*00977, 1315*01023, Body 65970.  Yesterday I was really excited about Sprint 00656, today I am, if possible, more excited about Sprint 00977 available form the same seller.  I’m more of a green guy than a red guy, and this car just looks right to me.  I realize it probably has some originality deficiencies that someone with more authority than me will point out, but thats okay, I’d take it just as it is.  I have seen 3 sub-1000 Sprints come on the market in the last few weeks, must be a virus that’s going around.

Anyone near enough to go verify the body number and give us a test drive or in-person review?

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That is a great car in a great color.  I wonder how original it was before the restoration?  Looks to have rolled lip rims still.  Even has the neat little turn signal lights and jack point covers.

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Market 431: Sprint 750B 06395 -much assembly required

Update October 1 2015: Available now from Joop Stolze.

Giulietta Sprint 750B 493*06395, 1315*05812 & 00112*15344.  This car appears to be offered by ReOriginal’s on eBay out of Livingston TX.  Car is very much where the project I am currently working on is -lots to do!  Paint is 10 years old but shines, interior work looks pretty good and it comes with an extra engine.  No mention is made whether all the trim etc comes with the car.  This is a rare car in that it’s one of the last 750B Normale’s -the last 200 750 ‘eyebrow’ grill Sprints were Veloce’s.

But do the original parts include bumper, ‘eyebrow’ grills, headlights with rings, hood center strip and front center grill?  Looks pretty nice here.  You can buy those bumper bracket trim bits new from several vendors.

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Mailand – Alfa relationship – Anyone?

I was checking links, trying to see where some projects I used to keep up on were and took a look at Will’s Sprint rebuild on FB.  It hasn’t had anything posted in a while – unless updates have been made elsewhere.  Something caught my eye when I was checking out his pictures.  His car is a 10102 series, with a 1315*01XXXX engine, and a Mailand plate with 750B on it.  Anyone know what’s up with this?  Only 10105’s are supposed to have this series engine.  I did a post a while back about trade agreement final assemblies in France, Mexico and Germany at one point but can’t seem to find it.  Anyone know what the arrangement was between Alfa and Mailand?

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This is the build plate set is from Will’s Sprint.  It is original, and it is confusing!

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Market 504: Spider 392429 The Walking Dead

Giulia Spider 10123*392429, 00112*16057.  Just because it can be done, doesn’t mean it should.    This car sold for $8000 on eBay recently, very very very likely for its parts.  Look at it.  Under the red rattle can is, well, about 40% of a Spider.  The closer to the ground you get, the less there is until you reach the thin film of rust scale that inevitably forms under it whenever left in one place for an extended period.  There are places where you could take a 1 foot by 1 foot sample of where you think a Spider ought to be, and not get any metal at all -good thing you are a human and can see that the missing piece is the missing piece of a car.

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It looks not too bad from this angle, but like that scene in a horror show/movie, you haven’t yet realized you are seeing the dead, because from this angle it just looks like an attractive woman.  The dead with great door to body panel gaps.

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Market 503: 10103 370029 first of the last 1300 Spiders

Giulietta Spider 10103 370029.  This Spider, one of the first examples from the last series of 1300’s is available on eBay now out of Southern California.  Buy it Now price is $75,000, somewhat high for this particular series -despite its nice fit and finish.  (For comparison, Fantasy Junction has a SWB 750F Veloce for $95,000).

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Very nice car in a domain to make most car guys jealous.  Everything fits together well enough that I am going to guess this is a car that has not seen major work.

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What year is my Alfa Romeo Giulietta?

I get questions from readers every few days about what year a certain car is given a VIN number, or what car a given engine number would have originally come in, or if an engine is original to a particular car.  The information to answer these questions is scattered around this website, but it being a blog and not a very well organized one, it’s hard to find.

So, here it is, the Giulietta VIN and engine number cheat sheet.  I apologize for the length and complexity of what was supposed to be an easy read, but I couldn’t figure out how to dumb it down much more.

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This is an original build plate.  Notice it has model, body and engine numbers.  Notice the font.  This is the easiest way to tell if a car has a matching engine.  See caveat III below.

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Market 400 (!!): Sprint Veloce 750E 08765

Update September 7 2015:  This car is available again on eBay out of Brunswick Georgia, maybe the same seller as last time?  Still needs a lot of work.  I don’t remember what the last asking price was., but now it’s $35,000.

Update March 9 2012: I received some less than encouraging pictures of the underside of the car from someone who knew it -it’s got some structural rust that will be difficult to fix. Check it out.

This is thick, difficult to replace metal.  Will be fun for who ever gets to repair it -even more so for the check writer!

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