Heater part 2: Heater valve 1493.54.709 and control cable 1488.31.723

Last installment we looked at the heat exchanger box itself, this time I’ll focus on the bits that hook it up and control the incoming hot water: the heater valve and the push/pull cable that controls the valve.  The first generation of Sprint’s had a heater valve (1483.54.711) that looked not far removed from a garden tap and you actually had to pop the hood and get out to turn on the flow of hot water to the heater core (if you didn’t realize you were going to want heat before you started out).  At some point this was deemed a little old fashioned so a cable operated valve was put to use -cousins of which can be found on Alfa’s for many years to follow.

Valve failure mode(s): hardening of rubber diverter seal, oxidation leading to through pits or breakage, loss.

Control cable failure mode(s): still/difficult operation, cable breakage/cut leading to too short, loss.

The current state of the parts supply has:

1493.54.709 with new diaphragm seal installed.  Like all rubber things, it just got hard and cracked after 50+ years.  The inner plateau seals against the port in the valve body, keeping the water out of the core when not wanted, the outer ring seals to the body to keep it from leaking when it’s open.

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Market 432: SS 10120 00392 ‘no longer for sale’

Giulietta Sprint Speciale 10120*00392.  This car is currently listed on eBay out of Haverhill, MA and sits at $45,000.  A note has been added at the end of the auction that it’s no longer available.  Must have received an offer too good to pass up, while being spooked by the presence of a nicer Giulia SS on eBay at the same time.

The car itself is rough around the edges, but needs mostly light cosmetics and some missing original parts sourced to be taken to the next level.  What level is that you ask?  Nice driver maybe…

There is a gray spot on the roof with a corresponding exit wound in the headliner.  They do look sweet without bumpers.  Looks very nice!

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Market 69: Yet another restored ‘Guilia Spyder’ 372402

Update 7/22/12: This car has surfaced on Hemmings Motor news for $47,000. Still looks good. Amazing how they get around.  The current seller has done a lot of work to the interior -it looks amazing now.

Sensibly the Ferrari sticker has been removed from the fender.

Update 12/15/08: Auction ended at $26,250 with 35 bids, $250 more than I predicted.  Look for the follow up.

Giulia Spider 10123*372402. This car is on eBay right now. Car was new with a single carb 1600 but the seller states the original engine was a 750 series 1300 with a 4 speed which can’t be right, but as the driver of a 1750 powered 2000 series Berlina I don’t doubt that is what was in it when they got it. Older Alfas tended to get whatever running engine was on hand when the original gave out. I don’t know how a guy can spend $40,000 on restoring a car and misspell both of the words in the model name on the title of the auction, but hey, it’s a free country.

2d3a_3Pretty odd combination of mirrors can be seen here. This car is Porsche Boxter metallic ‘Ocean Blue’, a nice color in the right setting, and I’m sure striking on this car, but a detractor to most people that would spend big money on a car like this. I’d have talked him into Dutch or Tornado blue, both period correct, striking and not far from what can be seen here. I can’t fault the preparation though, the car looks great with all trim in top condition.

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Market 315: Vent window Giulietta SS 10120 177061

Update 7/22/12: Available now from Motor Classic and Competition Corp. Interesting that this car has failed to find a home with so much demand for SS’s right now.

Update 4/2/12: Guess who’s available again? This SS. It’s now on the East Coast now, listed on Hemmings, and with a new fun asking price of $129,500.  Does this herald the arrival of market malaise?  Are we approaching a correction?  How many SS’s at greater than $100K can the market support?  Survivor-ship is high for a limited production car -probably approaching 15% documented on this site alone.  Costs more than this?

Update 9/13/11: Again.  I wonder how much they’ve spent on eBay auctions??  My advise to the seller – a change of venue after a few months pass.  Maybe Amelia Island.  Ebay is alright for 3 year old ipods and disassembled Sprints but a seriously nice SS?  Time to move up into the major leagues.  But what do I know.

Update 9/1/11: “We have made deals on this car twice on eBay now, only to have the buyer renege on his contract due to financial issues without seeing the car in person. PLEASE MAKE SURE YOU HAVE THE FINANCIAL ABILITY TO PURCHASE THE CAR before bidding, and especially before having us mail you sales documents and pull all of our advertising. If you are financing or running the car through a leasing company, make sure you are pre-approved. Each time this happens we lose other interested parties who ARE able to purchase the car. Thank you for your consideration.”  That explains it.  Rich guys drunk eBaying.

Update 8/26/11:  As predicted, this car is on eBay again -this time with new improved pictures and lengthy description attached below.  This is a great car, it’s just not going to go for Gooding money on eBay.

I know that bridge -about 15 minutes before you get to Big Sur when headed south on 1.

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Market 424: restored 1965 SS in Toronto

Update 8/12/12: Not surprisingly it failed to meet reserve and sell. It’s probably a nicer car than can be told from the pictures, but only better pictures will tell.

Update 7/21/12: Giulia Sprint Speciale 10121*380813, 00121*00914. As expected this car has turned up on eBay with slightly more comprehensive pictures and vin numbers. I’m sure there are excited emails and phone calls going on right now between Drivers Source/Classic Invest and probably other ‘opportunity spotters’ and the seller as I type. Car looks good. Better pictures are required.

Giulia Sprint Speciale. This car is on Craigslist right now out of Toronto.  There is no real information about the car other than the pictures where it looks pretty good.  Appraised at over $100K?  I guess that’s where to start the negotiation.

Nothing to complain about here.  Bosphorus blue?  Dutch blue?  Hood fits great.  Is that a 128 and a Yugo in the back ground?  I think so…  Good to know this car has been in austere company.  Grill doesn’t look right.

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1493.54.707 Sprint Heater with three hot air outlets -Part 1

I don’t know why, but I’ve always looked at the heater as something I didn’t want to mess with -probably because it’s under the dash, full of coolant and as such slightly difficult to deal with.  The car I’m working on was stripped most of the way -one of the few non-essentials to being rolled around still on the car?  Yep, the heater, which says I’m not the only one who felt this way about it.  Well, you can’t have a shabby heater in a nicely fixed up car, so I pulled it out and faced my fear like some kid with arachnophobia being forced to hold a spider.

The official version.  Item 26 is a single item here, while on my bench it’s a metal tube that acts as a bridge between the rubber elbow and paper hoses and the rubber elbow -2 separate parts.  I think an updated version should be made of this with sub parts for all the missing parts like the two halves of the heater, the flapper door, the 6 round (or is it binding??) head screws etc.

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Market 291: Driver Giulia SS in Texas

Update 7/16/12: This car has appeared for sale on eBay in Europe out of Southern California from a Zero feedback seller. Scam? Hmmm.

Update 3/17/11: 75 bids resulted in $62,750.  It’s no joke, game on for SS values!

Update 3/14/11: Bidding has reached  $40,000 and reserve is met with 2 days to go.  The suspense begins!

Giulia SS 10121*381379. This car is on eBay right now out of Texas.  Bidding is at just shy of $30,000 with 4 days left as I write.  This car is truly in ‘how you used to find them’ condition and frankly may be as much as $80,000 away from being a top money car, but for a capable DIY restorer that restoration number could get down to $40,000.  Why do I mention this?  See yesterdays post, which the seller references in their write up, a Giulietta SS sold for $140,000 at the Amelia Island auction.  This is a great place to start, but it still has to be reduced to nuts, bolts and bare metal and built back out to get in the league that car is in.  Then it has to find a buyer… Or it could be let alone, touched up, enjoyed and entered in the preservation class some day.

Looks great from this distance, through the lens of a camera after being hosed down.  Note dent above headlight.  Antennae has to go to.

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Market 430: Spider Veloce 750F 03454 use or restore

Update 7/21/12: No takers. Ended at $31,000. Reserve was probably closer to $40K.

Giulietta Spider Veloce 750F 1495*03454, 1315*32930 (unsure if original to car).  This car is on eBay right now from a seller who frequently has interesting early Giulietta’s and Giulietta stuff.  It’s a running driving car with a 1600 installed, but comes with a ’58 Veloce engine.  It’s unclear whether it’s the original engine.  Pictures are few, but it looks pretty good.

Looks pretty good.  Hood fit is a bit off.  No bumper over-riders.  Good start or use as is!

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Market 429: Spider Veloce 10118 390183 at FJ

Giulia Spider Veloce 10118*390183, 00536*20568 (not original). Fantasy Junction has this car listed on eBay right now. The car is in pretty good shape -with some details to sort out. The engine is simultaneously the best thing about the car -having been rebuilt by Conrad Stevenson, and the thing that will always keep this car from being a top of the market car.

Lovely in white as usual.  Hood fit is very good.  Trim all looks great -there’s a little bump in the drivers side leading edge of the bumper.

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Map analogy Part 2: You are here

Some people can be dropped on a random corner in an unknown country and find their way without a conscious thought about it.  Others need one of those language neutral maps with a big red dot -YOU ARE HERE.  When that project car you bought turns up, there’s a good chance you are effectively on that corner in that unknown country.  What are you going to do?  Where are you?  A map is useful because it shows you where you are, where you’re going (if you know it) and based on those, how to get there.

It looks something like this when you get all the fasteners gathered up from all those boxes are clean and in one place.  Most of you will be thinking ‘oh god -good luck’ but some of you are saying -‘hey, there are 7 drop link bolts there and a car only needs two!’ You will all agree that if you can identify quite a few of these, you know where you are.  In case you are wondering, I took this as a sanity check so I could identify what I sent to the electroplaters.

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