Alfa SS Project

This Giulietta or Giulia ‘Alfa SS Project’ was forwarded to me by Elmar who has seemingly volunteered to hunt down Vin numbers of SS’s for me in Europe (Thanks Elmar!!!) and I added several new SS’s to the register with his help.  The company that has this Frankenstein on their website also makes Alfa repair panels for SZ, GTA etc.  I suppose if all you have is the body, without any other parts, this sort of thing makes sense, and everyone would approach it differently so I can’t really criticize too much, but from the pictures it’s going to look like an SS body with a Spider nose and Milano wheels rather than some cool ‘ooh, what’s that’ special. 

I have long thought that a GTV or Giulietta roof on a Duetto would make for a neat special, but a Spider nose on an SS… not so much.

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Something about the devil and idle hands…

You know the beginning of Magnolia when the lady shoots a shotgun at her husband and misses him but hits her son who just jumped off the roof as he falls by the window? Well the pile of circumstances today wasn’t quite that profound but the result was pretty good. The story is something like this…

Possibly the most absurdly cute car ever. Don’t you just want to pinch its cheek?

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101 1300 rebuild for Giulietta Sprint part 1: Out with the new, in with the old

If you have followed the Berlina recommission posts you know my plan was to pull the 1750 out of the Sprint, put it in the Berlina and then drop the original 101 1300 into the Sprint. A slight complication was revealed on Saturday when, while the sun dried the gas out of the Fiat gas tank, I set to work preparing the 1300 for its new (old) home. It seemed like a good idea to open the engine up enough to at least check the bores, a main bearing or two and the combustion chambers to establish a baseline of its condition.

It turned out that the spark plugs being out of the holes for 13 years (only 2 in my keeping…) allowed moisture to attack the bores and rings. I tried to hone one of the liners but wasn’t happy with the result. Oh well, piston and liner sets are not too expensive, but do I go for the 1300 normale 9.1:1, veloce 10:1 or a 1400 kit or really punch it out and go for the Conrero spec 1500? Time to fish through my wallet!

The business end of a Giulietta 1300. All and all pretty clean in here. Someone decided polishing the crank was the way to go. Note 101 1300 Nomales have the dip in the block side for the close in oil filter.

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Fiat centoventiquattro ongoing fix it again

Ahhhh yes. You think things are going your way but really the elements are conspiring against you. Within an hour of making the Berlina run I get a call from the better half. “Uh… I smell gas strong in the Fiat.”

“Where are you?”

“Right in front of work.”

“Where is it coming from? trunk? Engine compartment?” I am already pulling the gas tank out in my mind

If you’re reading this blog you’ve experienced this sort of thing. That night I spot a puddle forming under the passenger side rear corner below where the gas tank lives. Great.

There is dirt, there is gunk and a spaghetti of fuel lines and wires but no reason for the bottom of the gas tank to have rusted out.

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72 Berlina revival part 2

I don’t know if I should start this by saying I’m ahead or behind. I thought it would take me a few weeks to get the 1750 out of the Sprint and into the Berlina, but I guess I thought wrong. I will admit that taking a full time job, hosting my dad for a week, going out of town for most of the weekends between buying this car and my birthday a few weeks ago and other everyday life interruptions have played a part in retarding my progress, but I’ll also say hey, it is coming along. I’m in no danger of selling this thing on eBay in 20 years after cowering in the corner of procrastination.

To the point. Once I got the engine out of the Sprint it required a bunch of parts change over to prepare it for its new life in the Berlina. The biggest job was swapping the oil pan and pump. The second biggest job was cleaning it up after leaking around the rear main seal and valve cover gasket heavily over the last 20,000 miles in the Sprint.

I had never replaced an Alfa oil pump before this. The bull-nose or whatever you want to call it oil pan requires a specific oil pump. That’s the 1300 in the background that is going in the Sprint when all this Berlina hootenany is done.

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Market #51: 1964 Sprint rally/race car

Our friends over at bring a trailer have this car on offer from a collection in Southern California.  If it’s a 1964 it’s probably a Giulia 1600 Sprint.  The car is reported to have been a French market car which means it probably had a few oddities like a glass brake fluid bottle when it was new.  Alfa and Renault had a deal worked out that reduced the import tax on Alfa’s and allowed Alfa to make Dauphines and R4’s in Italy.  I’ll explore this relationship in a later post. 

This car looks like a pretty straight, lightly modified, used but not abused car that would clean up nicely and make a great driver.  Asking price is $30,000 which seems optimistic, but a trip to Orange County may find this car to be better than it appears and it probably has excellent provenance from its time on the track.

The absence of the egg-crate grills on this car makes it look tough.  I’d put some Cibie Oscars on either side of the grill heart.  All the visible trim and shut lines look good.  I like the orangy-red and would look forward to cleaning and polishing this car if I bought it.

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Market #46: Sprint project in CT with 00121 Veloce engine

Update 9/17/08.  Reserve not met at $5101 with 35 bids.  I made a pretty good estimate of the closing price this time and would have won big if this was ‘The Price is Right’.  I think the seller should take this amount.  This car needs a lot of expensive work and even though it has the later Veloce engine it will only in the end ever be an ‘Abnormale’ and not worth as much as a genuine unmolested matching-number example, which for these Normale 101’s is probably going to be south of $20,000 for a long time except for really choice examples.  Look for the string of disappointing follow up auctions…

Giulietta Sprint Normale 10105 1493*21372, Engine AR 00121*01522 (not original).  This 1959 Sprint is available now on eBay with a low starting bid.  Engine is a 1600 101 Veloce unit out of either a Spider Veloce or Sprint Speciale.  Connecticut is in the part of the country you normally associate with rusty cars but this car looks to be as free of rot as described.  I guess 34 years in dry storage paid off.

From this angle it doesn’t so bad other than a few scrapes and bumps.  Most trim is present and jacking points look good.

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Market #45: Straight-forward Giulia Spider Normale project

Update:  Sold!  Car closed with 28 bids, the high of which was $12,205.  A little higher than I thought it would go for, but given how original everything on the car is I am not really surprised. 

1962 Giulia Spider 101.03 AR370257, Engine 00102*30583.   On eBay now! Seller claims the car is a 1963 Giulietta 1300 Spider Normale, though according to the numbers Fusi indicates it’s a 1962 Giulia Spider.  Engine listed is a 1300 from a 1961 Sprint or Spider.  This car is firmly in the gray area known as interim cars.  It has the large Giulia type tail lights, earlier Giulietta gauges and no fake hood vent.  My knowledge of Spiders is limited so if any of you cares to chime in with a comment, please do.

The nose of this car is very nice, no real body work is required to make it straight.  Giulia’s usually have the fake vent on the hood, maybe this isn’t the original hood, or maybe the first year Giulias didn’t have the fake vent.

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Market #43: Project Sprint on SF Bay Area Craigslist

Giulietta Sprint 750B 1493*08569, Engine 1315*05588 (not original).  This car is available at the time of publication here on Craigslist. A comprehensive photo set is available on Flickr as well.  It’s not clear how much the seller wants to get for the car, but I think $6000 is what someone who spoke to them said they wanted.

I think this car sold without the engine on Craigslist last year and if i remember correctly the asking then was $4000.

 Straight, attractive, somewhat complete and looking for love.  No, it’s not in the personals section.

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Market #42: Yet another scrappy ‘Guilietta’ Sprint Veloce project

Update: Wow, no takers for $7000.  If it was in my area I’d be all over it.  It might help if they list it so it can be more easily seen by spelling Giulietta correctly.  Hmmm, lets see if it gets relisted.

Update: Ian reported that more pictures have been posted and indeed they have.  He commented that the carbs are not original, I think he means it should have 40DCO3’s.  I’m not certain and have seen no evidence one way or the other, but keeping in mind that Alfa during this period were consistently inconsistent, I think Veloces at this point may have had 40 DDCOE3’s as this is about the time they were being phased in and showing up on cars.  What’s the difference you ask?  E refers to the Italian word for Die-cast.  I think there is a pretty good section on the differences on the Veloce Register website.  Anyone?

Giulietta Sprint Veloce 750E 1495E08315, Engine 1315*32289. Ian Evans sent me a link to this auction with the note: “Probably a safe bet to believe it truly does not run since it is missing the carburetors, eh?” I’m glad he sent it along because I’ve been too busy to troll for cars to write about. For once Fusi is in agreement with the seller and it is indeed a 1959 Sprint Veloce. Metric gauges, swooshy market lights and amber directionals in the tail lights indicate it’s a European Market car, an inquiry to Alfa’s archives would tell you which country if it mattered to you.

The good: Straight nose and trim, good hood fit, not missing much. The bad: everything needs to be reconditioned, expensive to say the least! The ugly: The rust you see here hints at a level of corrosion on all the parts that is difficult to remove. I wonder if a tree fell on it like my Berlina.

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