The Continuing Story of Sprint 20379

The post about VINs and years and all got me thinking about the real history of these cars.  History, in the collective sense, is a view from a perspective, a mix of what appears to have happened (or what you are told happened), and small pieces of hard information; data that modifies this general history as what actually happened is discovered.  I guess you could say you start out viewing it as a forest, but recognize that it is ultimately the story of many individual trees.  Why make this analogy?  A register of VINs is a forest, an individual car you have had a relationship with is a tree.  I own a 1959 Giulietta Sprint, and could leave it at that, but today I won’t. I’ll think of its history as a series of moments rather than a serial entry in a range on a data sheet.

I own Giulietta Sprint 10105 20379, with engine 1315*010669.  It started out as ore in some third world country, ore that came together following an engineered manufacturing plan, as refined metal in 1958 most likely.  It was stamped and cast then touched by many skilled hands in the Bertone factory as individual parts were fitted, paint and polish applied.  It was inspected, tested, and ultimately put on a ship bound for the USA as part of some money making scheme.

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It’s like a half remembered dream.  This is pre-Rufus by a good 7 years.  A lot of my personal history in one picture.

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What year is my Alfa Romeo Giulietta?

I get questions from readers every few days about what year a certain car is given a VIN number, or what car a given engine number would have originally come in, or if an engine is original to a particular car.  The information to answer these questions is scattered around this website, but it being a blog and not a very well organized one, it’s hard to find.

So, here it is, the Giulietta VIN and engine number cheat sheet.  I apologize for the length and complexity of what was supposed to be an easy read, but I couldn’t figure out how to dumb it down much more.

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This is an original build plate.  Notice it has model, body and engine numbers.  Notice the font.  This is the easiest way to tell if a car has a matching engine.  See caveat III below.

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Market 400 (!!): Sprint Veloce 750E 08765

Update September 7 2015:  This car is available again on eBay out of Brunswick Georgia, maybe the same seller as last time?  Still needs a lot of work.  I don’t remember what the last asking price was., but now it’s $35,000.

Update March 9 2012: I received some less than encouraging pictures of the underside of the car from someone who knew it -it’s got some structural rust that will be difficult to fix. Check it out.

This is thick, difficult to replace metal.  Will be fun for who ever gets to repair it -even more so for the check writer!

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Market 388: SS 00242 in New Jersey

Update September 15 2015:  Reserve not met at $65,200.

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Apparently SS values have gone up $6000 since this car was last listed.  I think I would have been tempted to sell.

Update September 7 2015: This car has reappeared, this time on eBay being sold out of Florham Park New Jersey.

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I was just last night talking to a friend and SS owner about the value prospects for the SS these days across the project to perfect spectrum.  He opined that they had actually gone down a bit in the last few years by his reckoning.  Not some huge slide or anything, just market forces balancing restoration quality of cars bought and improved to make a quick buck, that seem to come back on the market repeatedly, driving values down a bit as a result; versus genuine ‘restored for the love of the thing’ cars that not only look good but are complete, correct and actually a pleasure to drive.  Projects aren’t seeing the frenzy of 2 years ago, while the number of prospective owners out there is probably a bit stagnant and not as deep pocketed as the few high priced auction examples would have you think.  I’m sure there are lots of Alfisti would happily add an SS to their stable, the question is, at what price?  And then there is the almost absurdly high survivorship of SSs -probably above 20% tracked on this humble site alone.

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Market 502: Spider 10123 373466 ‘closest to the door’

Update September 15 2015: 54 is a lot of bids!  $25,355 is decent money.

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Giulia Spider 1600 10123*373466.  This car is on eBay available out of Waynesville North Carolina.  Seller says “At this time I am only interested in selling one car from my collection and this Alfa is the easiest to get out.”  Neat collection and as good a criteria as any other I suppose for choosing which car to sell.  Car is not too bad looking, could probably be put on the road with a couple weekends work if the engine and clutch are healthy.

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Not a bad nose.  Bumpers will need attention, or to be removed in pursuit of a sporty look.  Good starting point.

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Market 416: Spider 10103 09100 project

Update 8/19/2015:  This car is back on the market after having some work done.  The body is better than it probably bought to be considering the snowy woodpile it spent several years associating with.  What is a restored LWB Normal of this vintage worth these days?  $50K?  $60K?  $20K?  I don’t really know -haven’t been paying enough attention, but this doesn’t seem like a bad deal at $12,500, but you probably need to be near by and fancy a challenging project.  Perhaps a garage endeavor to work on in your retirement?  Be aware, last I checked, there were not too many places willing to take on metal replacement.

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Update 7/1/12: This car sold for $10,201.  The saga continues!

Giulietta Spider 10103 1495*09100.  Projects are in fashion, and this rough around the edges interim car is riding the wave on eBay right now.  It’s not too bad, not too good, just your usual needs everything project.  If you jump now it could be yours -current bidding is a paltry $7350.  Summer is upon us!

Busted in the nose, but trim unharmed, with lots of weird corrosion.  Looks neither good nor bad -just a but rough.  There’s a bit of corrosion in the rocker visible here.

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Market 501: SS 381151 at Fantasy Junction “POA”

Giulia Sprint Speciale 10121*381151, 00121*01052.  Fantasy Junction, a respectable local to me seller of high end sports cars has this SS listed in their inventory, price: POA.  I don’t think I’ve ever seen them use this pricing convention – maybe it has something to do with last weekends rigmarole in Monterey and they didn’t want to be caught out if pricing moved in leaps due to an auction result.  I didn’t make it to Monterey – opting rather to hang out with my dad.  Any big Giulietta sales go down?

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That is a great color on an SS.  So tempted to make an unflattering comment about Toyota dark metallic gray – better let it go though.  This car sits well, everything is where it belongs, and I am excited to go check it out in person – maybe they will let me test drive – who knows.  Anyone have POA I can borrow?

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Market 148: Cobra-ized early 750 Spider

Update 8/18/2015:  As yet finding it difficult to find a human whose tastes align with its character, this Giulietta Spider continues to float from mark-up to mark-up (I would have thought mark-down to mark-down -but who am I to speculate).  Buy it now on eBay for $37,900 and be eschewed by Alfa owners, Cobra owners and those who aren’t comfortable in the presence of this much yellow.  I mentioned in the last update that the clock was ticking toward a time when it would be an attractive value proposition to take this car back towards stock.  That clock is still ticking.

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How hard could it be to lose the black?  

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Alfa Romeo Giulietta turns 100!

No, that title is not a typo, and this post is not from 39 years in the future, but it is about the future.  I have been having a lot of conversations about technology, especially self driving cars lately, and this post is in reaction to those conversations, and anticipates / explores that topic through a possible experiential evolution of my Sprint ownership.

An early SS advertising photo.
An early SS advertising photo.  The first picture I posted to this blog 7+ years ago.

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My Sprint part 3 – What the heck have I been doing etc

First, I want to thank all you who have written me emails encouraging me to get back to writing the blog. I really appreciate the concern. No, this site will not die, no, I haven’t given up on it forever. After Fuelist fizzled out I needed to take a break from cars for a minute, but now I am feeling inclined to get back at it – especially considering I am weeks if not days from being reunited with my Sprint. Being a dad and fulltime engineer (again) has made heavy demands on my time, but no so much that I can’t contribute here once in a while.

So, that out of the way, here are some pictures of the work that has been done to my Sprint. Engine is looking phenomenal as is the engine compartment. I highly recommend Toms work if you are considering having someone work on your Sprint, Giulietta, or Alfa in general.

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Almost a shame to cover this up with an engine.


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Unless it’s this engine.  Yep – that’s a programmable distributor I got from Classicalfa.com.

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That spin on filter came with the car.  Headers are 1600 Giulia items.

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Bling has been liberally applied.