{"id":1880,"date":"2008-12-03T23:03:39","date_gmt":"2008-12-04T06:03:39","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/giuliettas.wordpress.com\/?p=1880"},"modified":"2008-12-03T23:03:39","modified_gmt":"2008-12-04T06:03:39","slug":"market-67-two-high-dollar-alfas-on-ebay","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/rufushamilton.com\/giuliettas\/2008\/12\/03\/market-67-two-high-dollar-alfas-on-ebay\/","title":{"rendered":"Market #67: two high dollar Alfa’s on eBay"},"content":{"rendered":"

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Update:\u00a0 <\/strong>8C ended at just over $200K, reserve not met.\u00a0 End values were closer than I imagined.\u00a0 I bet run through a proper auction these cars would make $250k each.\u00a0 Look for the disappointing follow up for each of these cars.<\/p>\n

2008 Alfa Romeo 8C Competitzione ZARJA181980040907 & 1949 Alfa Romeo 6C2500 SS Cabriolet No 915811, Engine No 928114.<\/strong> Both these cars are currently on eBay, the 8C here<\/a>, and the 6C here<\/a>, though it ended reserve not met at $185,100. It is probably absurd to compare these two cars, but I suspect the values of these cars are actually quite close (within $50,000 maybe… the price of two good Giuliettas). Both these cars represent ‘investor’ class cars and since their values are close, comparison as investments would probably have the most meaning. Similarities also include exclusivity, desirability, and outstanding technical specification relative to other cars of their respective eras. Put another way both these cars are spectacular and I’d love to have either.<\/p>\n

\"quart\"<\/a>The 6C2500SS was a serious car in it’s day, the SS having triple carbs and rated at 109Bhp. Coachbuilt body is both sporty and elegant, representing both the highest standard of finish and latest styling for it’s era.<\/strong><\/p>\n

\"med6\"<\/a>The 8C Competitzione has been called the most beautiful car ever, recalling the Type 33 Strada among other historic Alfa’s. I like it more than all the other new cars I’ve seen but I would have to see one in person before I resort to hyperbole. Engine here is a 4.7L injected 8 making 450Bhp. <\/strong><\/p>\n

\"side2b\"<\/a>The profile of the 6C is sporty yet elegant. The grill work behind the front wheels looks a little out of era for this car but balances the design nicely, so perhaps it’s period correct as the seller suggests.<\/strong><\/p>\n

The 6C ad: “This stunning SS Pininfarina Cabriolet has covered just 19,000 Kilometers from new and was in the ownership of a single family until we acquired the car last summer. We campaigned the car immediately at the National Alfa Meet where it received the coveted Pat Braden Award, the car was also shown at Meadowbrook, The Glenmoor Gathering, Auto Historica V in Chicago, and The Masterpiece Concours in Milwaukee. Sporting some possible later 50’s period modifications like the Stainless exterior exhaust, air horns, and a nice interestingly period vinyl interior, the car was repainted, had the Borranis restored, and received a new top in the 90’s. The restorer swears there are numbers on the side vents that match the cars numbers, so those could be original. The car is titled as a 1951, although Anselmis book indicates it as a 1949 build car with delivery to the Rome Alfa Dealer. The correct Factory stateside sealed beam headlamps have recently been covered with the correct lenses, but we only put these on for shows given their value and rarity. This is a very rare Triple Carb Short Wheelbase roadster, with an honesty that one only finds in a car that hasnt been completely nut and bolt restored.”<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

\"med7\"<\/a>The 8C is all business in its profile. Wheels are a big for my taste but are balanced by the over-all design. Tail is too tall in my opinion (as it seems to be on most modern cars) but works with the shape of the window openings. Maybe a version without the spoiler lip? (It’s my blog, I can knit-pick if I want!)<\/strong><\/p>\n


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The 8C ad: “This incredibly gorgeous Alfa Romeo 8C Competizione is as rare as it is beautiful. This car represents one of only 84 destined for the US, and one of only two that we know of available for sale. This car comes perfectly optioned as follows;
\nCompetetizione Red Metallic Paint (Absolutely brilliant in the sun)
\nFull Twisted Leather Trim
\nSchedoni Matching Luggage Set
\nFull Carbon Kit (Steering wheel, etc)
\nAlfa Shields (Quadrifolio – worn on historic Alfa racing cars, and performance bred production Alfas since 1923)
\nPremium Bose Stereo
\niPod Connection
\nCar Cover
\nFloormats<\/strong><\/p>\n

These options bring the full invoice price of the vehicle to $292,985, not including destination fees or applicable taxes.<\/strong><\/p>\n

Here’s what Top Gear said:
\n“Fashion is a slippery bugger. The moment you allow yourself to think you\u2019ve got a hold of it, it flies out of your hands like a bar of soap. Classical beauty lasts longer, and Alfa must be glad of this, for here they are launching a car first shown four whole years ago.
\nIf the 8C Competizione’s styling had been tied to the ship of fashion back then, it\u2019d be wrecked on some forgotten coast by now. Luckily it wasn\u2019t. It was, and remains, knee-tremblingly gorgeous in the time-honoured manner of an Italian front-engined two-seater.
\nJust how gorgeous was hard to appreciate when we only ever glimpsed it in sections at motor shows, the majority of its form always occluded by the close-pressed palpitating flesh of car-loving humanity. But now it\u2019s out in the open and ready to roll, the answer is entirely gorgeous.”<\/p>\n

Specifications:
\n90deg 4.7L V8 Engine
\n450hp @ 7000rpm, 354lb-ft @ 4750rpm
\n0-60mph: 4.1 seconds
\nTop Speed: 181mph
\nCurb Weight: 3494 lb”<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

\"rear-topup\"<\/a>6C from the rear is so simple as to be almost bland. I like an unassuming rear like this. Trunk latch handles are almost funny, but probably required to keep the trunk closed at high speed with the parachute effect the wrap under lower lip must create. Fuel door placement is modern and sporty.<\/strong><\/p>\n

\"med10\"<\/a>I like the simple tail lights, the badge size and placement, the black panel with back up lights and exhaust, but overall I think if the lip of the trunk were about 4 inches lower it would be more balanced. All modern sports cars have a high back like this, maybe it’s just me and maybe I’m out of touch and need to see it in person.<\/strong><\/p>\n

\"73d1_1\"<\/a>This is elegance defined. Not too much instrumentation but you know what’s going on with your car. Grace Kelly could rest against you as you make your way to holiday at Lake Como.
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\"med26\"<\/a>Instrumentation is actually fairly restrained as far as sports cars go. I like the color of the leather and the use of aluminum. Looks amazingly futuristic compared to the 6C. You’d be lucky if Penelope Cruz even glanced your way as you sped down the autostrada.
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\"engine4\"<\/a>Dual overhead cam six, intricate castings make up sump, intake and exhaust manifolds. It’s almost a shame to hide these engines under bodywork, but in this case I’ll let it slide. Engine is as far back as possible while maintaining the traditional firewall.<\/strong><\/p>\n

\"med18\"<\/a>Here the engine seems to be half hiding under the windshield, putting it very far back for optimum weight distribution. Is that sculpted intake functional or just impressive? Who cares, with 450 Bhp. As with most modern cars, owner servicing is discouraged by intimidation as much as anything else.<\/strong><\/p>\n

\"introof3\"<\/a>I included this and the next picture mainly because they are so similar. Convertible top latches look like Giulietta spare hold downs or hood release levers. Very tidy in here.<\/strong><\/p>\n

\"med32\"<\/a>Are those sunvisors? Is that headliner material or carbon fiber? Aircraft style controls above the rear view mirror seem to be here to stay. Must seem dark in there with a black headliner.<\/strong><\/p>\n

Okay, I know what you might be thinking, what’s the point of comparing two cars that are separated by 60 years just because they are both red and from the same manufacturer (you ‘it’s not an Alfa it’s a FIAT’ folks pipe down). The point is I think you can actually see a respect and even homage to the 6C in the 8C. A certain poise and panache pervades both cars and they would not be such strange garage fellows as you might think.<\/p>\n

I mentioned investment quality and wisdom. Tough call here. Less than 100 8C’s will come to the US, about 500 worldwide, which means there will be a few cars on the market at any given time for years to come. Automotive journalists have derided the 8C as a mediocre supercar, I mean it ONLY has 450 Bhp and the rear end breaks loose a little too easily at 165 MPH in turn 4 on a rainy day commuting around the Nurburgring for Deiters liking. I’m sure I’d feel like the first man on the moon driving this thing to the grocery for a $4.99 bottle of wine. Oh yeah, investment, I think it will enjoy valuation like any other modern car of it’s ilk; it’ll go up initially as rich guys want to experience it, it’ll go down once they all tire of it and chase the next big thing and someday it will be worth more than it’s current retail sticker price -you just have to keep it up and perfect until then.<\/p>\n

The 6C is a different story. Counting all variants it was made in similar numbers to the 8C but time and unforeseen events have definitely eaten into that total and 30% still existing would probably be optimistic. The SS specification and spectacular coachwork on this example puts this car among the top of it’s type. For my money it can only become more valuable. If this car goes down significantly chances are half the country will be in foreclosure and out of work so who would really care at that point, it’ll still be outperforming other sinking assets.<\/p>\n

If you want a solid investment with exclusivity that you can occasionally use buy the 6C. If you want to look good while going really fast and don’t care about losing 20% on an investment in the short term if it was fun doing it, go for the 8C. It may sound odd, but if I was financially set enough to be considering either of these cars I’d probably go for the 8C. You can’t play the luddite forever, just don’t let my Giulietta Sprint know I said that.<\/p>\n

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Update:\u00a0 8C ended at just over $200K, reserve not met.\u00a0 End values were closer than I imagined.\u00a0 I bet run through a proper auction these cars would make $250k each.\u00a0 Look for the disappointing follow up for each of these cars. 2008 Alfa Romeo 8C Competitzione ZARJA181980040907 & 1949 Alfa Romeo 6C2500 SS Cabriolet No … <\/p>\n

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